Subject	They are definitely lower quality than the MSP manis
Posted by	na300zx (OH) on March 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM
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In Reply To	you're kidding right? posted by SuparexTT on March 17, 2009 at 01:46 PM
Message	And the hardware is far inferior. I had a much more difficult time installing the A*S manis than I did the MSP manis. The A*S manis come with regular nuts and lock washers. There is one stud that you can't even use a lock washer on because there is nowhere near enough clearance for it. The MSP manis come with self locking nuts. The clearance around the studs is always tight, and A*S manis come with 16mm nuts. MSP comes with 14mm nuts. The size isn't a huge deal, but it definitely effects (affects?) the ease of installation. Click to see how intelligent our leadership really is... Biden Pelosi Obama Obama
Follow Ups	AMS manifold flow graph... - blackomega 12:45:18 03/17/09 Where did you find this graph? - B. Wong 12:47:31 03/17/09 Biased. You can't "be bias". (n/m) - BobbyT 12:51:51 03/17/09 Unless one is a tire. :) (n/m) - SactoTodd 12:58:19 03/17/09 You are correct - B. Wong 12:59:25 03/17/09 Middle Picture of the 3 on the left - blackomega 12:53:32 03/17/09 Shows test was done by Westport Auto, not AMS. (n/m) - jschrauwen 13:03:29 03/17/09 and who are they? - Ahmed (Chicago) 13:07:32 03/17/09 Wesport - High Performance/Race Shop (n/m) - jschrauwen 13:15:22 03/17/09 Says the AMS fanboy :) (n/m) - xAzraelx[NC] 13:07:39 03/17/09 He's more then a fan boy. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 15:59:00 03/17/09 I'm skeptical - B. Wong 13:14:42 03/17/09 indeed - aliaZ 13:30:42 03/17/09 Add honzrr to the list. - DVDBURN (MD) 17:50:54 03/17/09 He did now that you mentioned it. (n/m) - Spongerider :) 17:53:47 03/17/09 He doesnt like tt.net anymore. - John B. (NJ) 18:06:09 03/17/09 You have opened up a can of worms. In the end you will - SlicktopTT 13:20:31 03/17/09 I didn't know AMS and improve could go hand in hand. - xAzraelx[NC] 13:23:40 03/17/09 A little effort using search (k/w: AMS vs. MSP) will yield - Dave N 13:21:01 03/17/09 Yup, AMS FTL (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 13:23:01 03/17/09 I didn't realize there had been such a thorough comparison - blackomega 13:41:03 03/17/09 Original message... off... please and thanks (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 13:43:45 03/17/09 I bought the ams mani's and regret the purchase. I cannot - ZEVAN (Ca) 13:35:07 03/17/09 Sell them to a 300ZXclub clown, if they're not installed (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 13:43:23 03/17/09 That has crossed my mind. Still not sure what I will do. - ZEVAN (Ca) 13:51:49 03/17/09 you'll have a hard time selling in the next 30 days. - SuparexTT 13:57:08 03/17/09 you're kidding right? - SuparexTT 13:46:51 03/17/09 . - ZEVAN (Ca) 13:54:15 03/17/09 They are definitely lower quality than the MSP manis - na300zx (OH) 13:57:49 03/17/09 Affects. Did you ever make a materials post? (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 14:10:33 03/17/09 No. I sent two people who emailed me samples - na300zx (OH) 14:16:00 03/17/09 Grrr. Trying to get to it. One of these Fridays. . . (n/m) - Scotts94z32 17:50:51 03/17/09 No biggie - na300zx (OH) 19:07:17 03/17/09 What did you tell them you wanted done? - Scotts94z32 10:30:54 03/18/09 I have no clue what all of those mean, but he was - na300zx (OH) 11:40:06 03/18/09 Good idea to keep it in house - jschrauwen 19:25:25 03/17/09 You caught us. - na300zx (OH) 19:31:25 03/17/09 Besides, it doesn't matter how I get them tested. - na300zx (OH) 20:25:18 03/17/09 I always suspected... lol (n/m) - vorpalZ 08:05:10 03/18/09 You went ahead and installed AMS manis anyways? - jschrauwen 14:10:35 03/17/09 Holy shit - na300zx (OH) 14:13:19 03/17/09 I didn't pay attention to stock bolts. why not use those? (n/m) - SuparexTT 14:17:25 03/17/09 10+ years of heat stresses, that's why. (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 14:22:13 03/17/09 The stock bolts & washers are too bulky to clear some of - Bernie (NoVA) 15:26:09 03/17/09 Wher or who did you buy them from? - jschrauwen 19:20:49 03/17/09 Perhaps a lack of a response is an answer in itself. - jschrauwen 21:57:28 03/17/09 I'll take them off your hands. - JustinSCZ32 10:13:11 03/18/09 I don't think you'll see ZEVAN respond - jschrauwen 11:05:30 03/18/09 Not sure what you are trying to imply but I don't live on - ZEVAN (Ca) 13:55:56 03/18/09 While you're in the process of doing the pics, - jschrauwen 02:23:15 03/19/09 welcome to 2006 (n/m) - LJZTT 14:07:09 03/17/09 Looks like the original test was done June 10, 2008 (n/m) - blackomega 14:11:56 03/17/09 seems as though this debate was sparked long before (n/m) - LJZTT 22:40:47 03/17/09 My 3 cents....... - Greg D. (Specialty-Z) 18:34:24 03/17/09 Too bad - Insomniac (VA) 18:40:08 03/17/09 Received my manifolds today. Thanks Greg! - DVDBURN (MD) 18:49:46 03/17/09 Thanks Greg! Can't argue with your 3 cents :) (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 19:36:47 03/17/09 Thanks for your input & thanks to Mike Smith for hard work (n/m) - induetime 20:25:59 03/17/09 I think I need a tissue. - jschrauwen 20:36:18 03/17/09 is it needed to clean up after Vuk or was it honzrr? (n/m) - Gizmo 20:52:29 03/17/09 I thought it was obvious. - jschrauwen 21:37:41 03/17/09 Do you not agree though? - B. Wong 20:54:55 03/17/09 I do agree that Mike Smith puts out a great product - jschrauwen 21:55:30 03/17/09 unfortunate demise? - aliaZ 22:08:53 03/17/09 Wow...you just showed you really know nothing. - Only1Z 23:07:58 03/17/09 VTF :) (n/m) - Piranha(PHX) 04:18:44 03/18/09 2nd (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 07:32:48 03/18/09 well said (n/m) - Ahmed (Chicago) 07:45:42 03/18/09 Huh? - rojoloco (San Diego) 23:30:25 03/17/09 are you still here, Tardo? (n/m) - ZEngineer 21:18:43 03/17/09 whats the matter? - aliaZ 21:23:28 03/17/09 There goes that ams's BITCH! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 22:35:50 03/17/09 Ok, I meet you and I am thinking, "This guy is a little - RAGTPZ 01:08:07 03/18/09 I'll keep VTDing you, I hope others do the same (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 07:35:09 03/18/09 luv you man. (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 23:00:58 03/17/09 e-x-c-l-u-s-i-v-e - Oppaman Z 23:18:49 03/17/09 About vendor pricing. - rojoloco (San Diego) 23:24:55 03/17/09 Re: e-x-c-l-u-s-i-v-e - Vuk@Absolute Motorsports Inc. 09:20:05 03/18/09 You are so full of sh!t. - DVDBURN (MD) 10:53:12 03/18/09 "No one likes you here"?? - jschrauwen 11:16:14 03/18/09 You can't be that dumb to believe in what you just said. - DVDBURN (MD) 11:21:35 03/18/09 If he is a ams's bitch you're dealing with a sub par - Spongerider :) 11:34:37 03/18/09 Re: You can't be that dumb to believe in what you just said. - jschrauwen 11:44:56 03/18/09 *claimed sales (n/m) - Bernie (NoVA) 12:45:39 03/18/09 post them you liar - aliaZ 12:53:04 03/18/09 Re: Re: e-x-c-l-u-s-i-v-e - Spongerider :) 10:57:24 03/18/09 So tell us Vuk. What are your manifolds made of? (n/m) - na300zx (OH) 12:04:05 03/18/09 What was that line Jschrauwen? - na300zx (OH) 14:08:38 03/18/09 What up turd monger. Shouldn't you be VTDing some Z1 posts? - BigTDogg (MA) 15:43:27 03/18/09 Well put Oppaman Z - jschrauwen 09:35:55 03/18/09 These threads bring down the Z community as a whole. - canyoncarver 06:52:14 03/18/09 Says the NA guy... (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 07:33:25 03/18/09 so does copying products and selling them as your own (n/m) - Ahmed (Chicago) 07:46:25 03/18/09 Re: so does copying products and selling them as your own - canyoncarver 08:22:12 03/18/09 i'm glad you can at least admit you know they are copies (n/m) - Ahmed (Chicago) 08:24:49 03/18/09 Yeah, I wasn't dissing your car, just saying that the - BigTDogg (MA) 08:31:45 03/18/09 yep (n/m) - aliaZ 08:34:58 03/18/09 "Bad for Z32 product developement world"?? - jschrauwen 12:15:51 03/18/09 They are already released.... over a month ago - Oppaman Z 14:55:01 03/18/09 I won't use the "r" word, but you're pretty friggin stupid - BigTDogg (MA) 15:55:14 03/18/09 Apathy brings down the Z community - aliaZ 08:33:40 03/18/09 it's hilarious when you use that word to describe AMS - Ahmed (Chicago) 08:38:23 03/18/09 Re: it's hilarious when you use that word to describe AMS - jschrauwen 11:50:11 03/18/09 these threads are the only thing worth reading in TT general (n/m) - chicagozer 11:26:51 03/18/09
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